It’s not a secret that we love the AR-15 around here.
That said, there are some things the AR-15 just can’t do.
Namely, the AR-15 can’t handle “long-action” cartridges…so there’s a limit on the power or distance you can get out of a round fired from an AR-15.
So, if you’re looking at getting an AR-10, look no further!
We’re looking at the best complete rifles here. So, without further ado…
THE QUICK LIST
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Best Bang-for-the-Buck
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Best High-End AR-10
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Editor’s Pick
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Lightest AR-10
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Best Budget Option
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Best Mid Level AR-10
How We Choose
Multiple members of the Pew Pew Tactical team, as well as freelance writers, pitched in on this review to offer different opinions based on our various experiences with the AR-10 platform. Our team comes from a variety of backgrounds, including NRA and CCW instructors and previous military and law enforcement.
We shot dozens of AR-10s and chose our favorites based on a combination of reliability, shootability, ergonomics, and value.
Best AR-10 Rifles
1. Aero Precision M5E1
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Pros
- Easiest to customize
- Affordable
Cons
- Upper and lower must be purchased separately
We’re big Aero Precision fans.
They’re known in the industry as one of the biggest quality manufacturers of lowers and uppers for other AR makers. They also offer a wide variety of build kits, including various Cerakote options that are available as limited runs.
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Between the Pew Pew staff, we have a LOT of Aero builds. We’re price-conscious and like solid quality, and Aero delivers on that.
So, all that out of the way, what about the Aero M5E1? Why does it make it on my list of the best AR-10s? I’m glad you asked, friend.
The Aero Precision M5E1 Complete Rifle is built with Aero’s excellent Enhanced Upper and M5E1 Lower, both of which are available for purchase separately and often available together if you want to get them both for a build.
How Does it Shoot?
Good ammo is always a must when testing a firearm; never forget that!
These are the rounds recommended by Aero themselves:
- Black Hills Match
- Remington Premier Match
- Hornady Match 168 gr HTHP (top rec)
- Hornady Match 168 gr ELD (top rec)
As you can see, the top recommendations were the ones tested, and Eric shot between 1.5 and 2 MOA, which is perfectly respectable for a sub $2,000 .308 rifle with factory ammo.
With hand loads, we believe the gun is capable of around 1 MOA to Sub-MOA accuracy.
Eric’s full review here.
While Eric used a complete Aero AR-10 upper, I went a more custom route for my 6.5 Creedmoor AR-10.
This is one of the things we really like about the Aero Builder’s Kits; they allow for a lot of flexibility. I started off with the Aero Precision M5E1 FDE Builder’s Kit and an FDE Magpul PRS stock.
From there, I added a Criterion heavy barrel, VG6 muzzle brake, Aero lower parts kit, Radian Raptor charging handle, and an Aero BCG with JP enterprises bolt.
I’ve only gotten to push my Aero build out to 650 yards so far, but the experience has been outstanding! I’m well over 500 rounds into this rifle with zero malfunctions.
The bottom line? Be it in .308 or 6.5 Creedmoor, Aero-built, or custom parts, the M5E1 is a solid platform.
2. LWRCi REPR MKII 7.62 Rifle
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Pros
- Extremely accurate
- Easy to suppress
- Fully ambidextrous
Cons
- Expensive
- No full-length handguard
Okay, first of all, it’s pronounced “Reaper,” which is either cool or a little too “edgy teenager with dark eyeliner,” depending on your perspective.
But really, a name has never once caused a gun to perform better or worse. What matters, as the infomercials will tell you, is one simple question: will it blend?
Well, in this case, it will absolutely blend. Or shoot. It’s a weird metaphor, just go with it.
LWRC originally created the first version of the R.E.P.R. for the military’s CSASS (Compact Semi-Automatic Sniper System) competition. While they lost that contract to H&K, they certainly didn’t do poorly.
The LWRCi R.E.P.R MKII is an updated version of that rifle and is built to the same exacting standards as the already awesome first version.
The main difference between that version and the MKII is the gas system. The new gas system is adjustable to 20 different positions as opposed to the suppressed and unsuppressed settings of the first R.E.P.R’s gas block.
How Does it Shoot? Really good. Okay, freakin’ great!
Using Federal Gold Medal Match 175 GR, Matt put five rounds into a one-inch circle at 200 yards. For those of you playing along at home, that’s a half-MOA performance.
Not only is the R.E.P.R incredibly well built, but it’s also crazy accurate. The price is steep, but you get what you pay for.
LWRC also makes a great line of AR-15s that deliver the same level of performance and reliability as their AR-10. I highly recommend you take a look!
3. Daniel Defense DD5
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Daniel Defense makes good stuff — that shouldn’t be news to you. They hold a number of military contracts, and with good reason. Their guns shoot, they shoot well, and they shoot every time.
Specs
- Four-bolt system fastens barrel and handguard attachments
- Geissele SSA two-stage precision trigger with 2.5-lb. take-up
- Oversized cam pin, enhanced extractor geometry, and dual ejectors
- Lower receiver with oversized trigger guard and flared magazine well
How Does it Shoot?
Like a dream. We’ve killed deer with it. We’ve rung the gong at 800 meters with it. We’ve put half a mag in a half-inch hole at 100 yards. I never had a problem with this gun and never expected to.
If you’re looking to use this gun for competition, hunting, or even home defense, the gun will do its part if you do yours.
One thing I will say, particularly about this gun and the LWRC, is that you get what you pay for.
With some guns, you don’t, and when it comes to expensive guns like this, that price tag gets harder to justify the bigger it gets. All of these guns made this list because they are worth the money.
Want more? Watch our review below!
4. Ruger SFAR
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Pros
- Affordable
- Extremely lightweight
- Adjustable gas block
Cons
- 16" version doesn't have a full-length top rail
- Less-proven, newer design
Normally, I am a little hesitant to recommend something that is so new to the market. But while the Ruger SFAR lacks a long-term track record, it makes up for it with some great features.
So what sets it apart? Well, for starters, it weighs in at an amazingly light 6.8 pounds. Ruger achieved this by utilizing a true AR-15-sized platform that stretches the magazine well to accommodate the .308 cartridge.
Ruger employs a toughened 8620 steel bolt carrier, and a proprietary super steel bolt and barrel extension to ensure that it can withstand the increased recoil and wear produced by the larger cartridge.
The gas system is mid-length and features a 4-position adjustable gas block to help ensure reliability and function for most common ammunition on the market.
On top of all that, you get a 15-inch free-float M-LOK handguard, 2-port muzzle brake, Ruger Elite 452 2-stage trigger, and Magpul MOE furniture.
And the best part about all of this? It clocks in right around the $1,000-1,200 mark, making it one of the more affordable AR-10s out there.
How Does it Shoot?
While we haven’t gotten our hands on one yet, other reviewers have.
The general consensus is that the rifles shoot anywhere between .5 and 1.5 MOA, depending on the ammunition and the shooter. That puts the SFAR right in the ballpark with some of the other guns on this list. Considering the price and other features, that isn’t too shabby.
5. Palmetto State Armory AR-10 (PA-10) Gen 3
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Pros
- Most affordable
- Solid accuracy
- Reliable
Cons
- May be less compatible with other AR-10 uppers/lowers
The PA-10 is probably the most affordable one on this list…and that’s because from raw materials to final product…PSA does it all in-house.
We’ve tested the Gen 2 for years and now have updated our full review with the Gen 3.
One of the best updates to the Gen 3 model is the inclusion of an adjustable gas block.
It doesn’t magically make recoil zero…but it helps dampen the .308 cartridge when you configure it for your specific load.
A lot of the time, PSA’s complete rifles are out of stock.
Plus, you get slapped with an 11% completed rifle tax.
But since AR-10s are also pretty modular, you can buy a complete upper and complete lower separately. It saves you some money and gives you more control over furniture/trigger options.
For lowers, I like their STR buttstock and 2-stage trigger.
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And for uppers, I’m a fan of going 18-inch to wring out some extra accuracy and velocity of the bigger rounds. Plus, it’s not as unwieldy as the 20-inch.
Make sure you get a combo WITH bolt carrier group (BCG) and charging handle (CH) included.
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How Does It Shoot?
Pretty well! Especially when it’s supported with a decent bipod.
It will run reliably out of the box and shoot decent groups for a rifle around $600.
Truly the best bang for the buck in the AR-10 world…if it ever stays in stock long enough!
Reviews
I’ve had the pleasure of shooting two AR-10 offerings from PSA.
The more common one is the .308 version (full review here) which shot great. Check out the review for videos of me hitting 600 yards with ease.
And just in…our full YouTube review of the PA-10 Gen 3:
Need to go further?
The AR-10 in 6.5 Creedmoor will stay supersonic to 1,200 yards and still pack a punch further than that.
Check out our full review of PSA’s 6.5 Creedmoor!
What’s your take on the PSA line of AR-10s? Rate it below!
6. Sig Sauer 716i Tread
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Pros
- Soft-shooting
- Accurate
- Ambi safety and magazine release
Cons
- Mil-spec style trigger
- Lackluster charging handle
Most of the PPT staff has had the chance to shoot the 716i Tread, and we are in agreement that it rocks!
Johnny was the lucky one who got a 716i sent to him for complete testing, he loved it so much that he insisted on buying it for his personal collection — that really should tell you a lot.
He has a complete video review on it, so take a look at that or read our article for all the details!
This puppy shoots. Right out of the box, the groups are outstanding, the recoil is soft, and the system as a whole is clearly well-tuned.
It also features almost completely Ambi-controls, a Magpul stock, and an M-LOK handguard.
But the trigger isn’t perfect, and the charging handle is bleh. Still, this delivers a LOT of rifle for the price.
Between this or the Aero Precision M5E1…it’s a really close call.
Final Thoughts
All in all, I love the AR-10.
It’s a sometimes-finicky rifle that, when done well, can be one of the greatest joys to shoot, and one of the most versatile options in your gun safe.
These guns are the best of the best in their particular niches and are perfect if you find yourself needing to hit something very far away with a very large bullet.
What are your thoughts on the AR-10 and our list? Let us know in the comments below. Also, check out our hands-on reviews of the Best AR-10 Muzzle Brakes and Best AR-10 Buttstocks. Already have an AR-10 and are looking to add a scope? Check out our recommendations here!
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Just bought the Daniel Defense DD5 V4 in 7.62. I also put the Rugged Micro 30 suppressor on for noise mitigation. Along with the Sig Sauer Tango-MSR 1-8x24 scope. I've been able to get 2" groupings at 300 yds with her. There was no wind so that helped a lot.
i just spent 4300 on a noveske n6, definitely an impulse buy but would you say I wasted my money?
I have an Sig Sauer 3G heavy AR 10. And a Springfield .30.06. And a Winchester Model 70 .270.
Comparing the AR 10 to those two rifles, for most hunting purposes, I would describe the AR 10 as heavy and cumbersome. A great rifle for hogs though .
The AR 15 is a better lightweight, easily handled rifle.
But for many hunting purposes (with the exception of coyotes) , the Winchester or the Springfield are a better choice.
So what IS the AR 15 good for? Shooting people, shooting coyotes. Or if you're a serious MAGA nut job, shooting up cases of Bud light. I associate the AR with the M 16, the M4 and other similar modern infantry rifles. I guess some people use them chambered in 6.5 or some other for hunting. I don't think I'll ever get used to that concept. Oh well
That's a small minded view, but oh well.
The LWRCI and Daniel Defense models are superlative — but the other choices cause me to believe that these weren’t chosen on merit.
Using the Hornady 168-grain ELD ammo, both AR-10s produced tight groups at 200 yards. The Ruger rifle cited was significantly off with a ~37% wider group.
The Springfield Armory Saint AR-10 fared much better, shooting consistently as well as the LWRCI REPR if not a little better.— and is less expensive and smaller than the REPR.
Head scratching curious about the selections.
I've always been a fan of the AR10 since its 1 rifle that does it all, from defense to big game hunting. I've owned a Sig Sauer 716 patrol since 2013, its been reliable, I can't even remember when and if its ever failed to fire a round. I can remember a dummy round failing to come out of the magazine and chambering due to it being 3mm shorter than a real round. The biggest weakness is its trigger but once you replace it, it behaves like a completely new rifle. Recoil is very manageable and grouping within a 2" circle at 100 meters while rapid firing is no issue at all. Even my ex whos 5' nothing can rapid fire it and group within a 4 inch ciricle at 100meters. My Ar10 is now 11 yrs old and doesn't have any major wear on it, and everything still fits tight, like new. Being on top of maintenence goes a long way in a firearms long term reliability/ accuracy.
Bought a 20" SFAR, 308 ammunition worked great but it was undergassed for M80 7.62x51 ammunition. Called Ruger and they asked me to send it in. Ruger paid for all shipping charges and opened up the gas hole and test fired all within a weeks' time. Never had a problem with a Ruger firearm before and found that their customer service was first class and better than any other manufacturer.
Have a older ruger sr 7.62. Love that gun. Accurate, never had 1 hiccup, with all different types of ammo. Never had to mess with the piston system, except for some good cleaning. About 4000 rounds through it in the last 10 years. Was pricey when i bought it. Topped with a vortex spitfire 3x. Geissele 2stage 3lb pull trigger, single point sling. Have about 3k into it.
How the heck is an ArmaLite not on here?
I asked this same question here in October of 2022, and never got a response. I own an Armalite AR TAC 10 16" and it is a tack driver. Yet the Armalites are never on the "best of" lists. Makes me question the independence/objectivity of these lists.
Anytime there is a best of AR-10 and LMT isn't the top 1 or 2 then I don't buy it. Few years ago I had both a LWRC R.E.P.R. and LMT 308 MWS. Now I just have the LMT. As good as the reaper is it just was not as good as the LMT. Both dead nuts accurate, both hit 1000 yd steel, it was just easier to do with the LMT. And I just like how the LMT is put together. Would be awesome to see you guys compare the two..
Hear hear. No LMT, no credibility.
As a former US Army Combat Zone Veteran and 1 of 4 snipers within my Army Company, I have to agree with you! I looked at them all except the Daniel Defense, but I kept coming back to the LMT 7.62X51 as my personal weapon!
Although, the Ruger SFAR at 6.8 lb. is a light weight choice it's low weight is surpassed by the Roam Red River Ultralight at 5.9 Lb. with Low Mass Steel BCG and 6.1 Lb. with Full Mass Steel BCG. It's true however that the Ruger at 1329.00 retail is probably far more budget friendly than the Roam at 2715.00.
I like my Wilson Combat WC10 Recon in 308. The machining on it is a work of art. It is a robust and very accurate rifle delivering consistent sub-MOA groups. Yes, it was expensive ($3200) and I had to wait 14 months for delivery, but it was worth it. I like it so much that I recently bought a WC15 to go with it.
I'm still in love with my Armalite AR-10A4 that I've been shooting for over 30 years - It's a beast of a rifle, but that extra weight results a real smooth shooter - It's a true classic - using modified M-14 mags. But as an old dinosaur, parts are rare and specific to Armalite, but they are available if you look hard enough.
I have two Patriot Ordnance Factory (POF) piston AR-10's. My .308 is somewhere between 15-18 years old. The 6.5C is ~5 years old, both are Electroless Nickel Coated w/ billet Upper's and Lower's, they are not "feather weight" rifles. They both are very accurate if the "shooter does their job". I had an "issue" with my .308 early on that was diagnosed as a piston out of spec. They replaced the piston free of charge, and the rifle has had no other issues. I have approximately 400 rounds through it. The 6.5C is "scary" how accurately it shoots. I have just under 300 rounds through it. IMHO, 2 of the best firearms purchases I've ever made.
I was looking at finally dipping my toe in the AR 10 game after collecting ARs for some time. Why so late? No good answer other than I kept finding other ARs I wanted. Was looking for the SiG to start (I don’t have one of their ARs but appreciated the extra machining they do at the price point) but found an ADM at my LGS. Have lots of ADM mounts, but had never come across their complete rifles before. Ergos are fantastic with a great ambi bolt catch and mag release. I don’t have a rifle that I haven’t added some parts too. This is the first rifle I haven’t changed out of the box. Came with Radian charging handle and ambi safeties. Criterion CHF barrel, SLR adjustable gas block, Magpul PRS stock, Geissele SSA two stage trigger and Surefire Warcomp MB. At the time street price was $2500. I’m really impressed. There was nothing I felt like I needed to change. And I changed the stock (B5) and handguard (Geissele) on my HK556. I’m just weird that way.
Regarding Aero. During Covid, I was bored at home and bought components from Aero for an AR-10. Impressive. The parts, all Aero, went together well, easy for me, and I’m not a pro.
I’m not a great shot, but it is a great shooter. It seems to like Core-lokt 150g, and using a fixed 3x Burris goes 1.5-2” when I do my part. With federal match 168 I can get 1.25-1.5”, but again someone else might do better, I’m not a great shot. Great components. Great company.
I don’t understand why you would leave off Noveske or Seekins. I can see why Knights is not included given price and accessibility but both Noveske and Seekins, POF as well really dominate the AR10 market.
Best mid-level? What exactly does that mean?
I think it means that Eric and gang only got an average of kickback $$$ from this manufacturer.
Just interested, have you any experience with Bear Creek products?
The i on 716i is in fact because it's a DI weapon. Sig made a short stroke piston AR10 named just the 716 but discontinued it due to low sales.
The SFAR has major MAJOR reliability problems. To the best of my research, this is due to an improperly tight neck on the chamber, and unreliable performance of the gas block which causes rounds to stick in the chamber and overpressure even on modest loadings. I really REALLY wanted this to work (I bought one early on), but I know a number of folks who also purchased one, and 90% (yes, 9/10) of them have problems.
Ruger is a good company, but this product was a fail at its current state in my view.
I heard the same from my gunsmith.
Just my opinion, but I’m not impressed by Ruger or Sig, both of which have significant engineering, fabrication, and quality control problems.
I built an Aero AR and I love it. However, I am a little unsatisfied with the accuracy .... but I still love it. I think because it was my first build. I read this because I was thinking of building an Aero AR-10. I wasn't surprised to read you also love them despite their 1.5-2 moa. I think with the idea of an AR-10 being longer range, I'll have to look elsewhere than my beloved Aero. Probably the DD series. How is it that Aero makes DD's stuff, but DD is so much tighter?
Funny how not long ago, at least in another blog that i read was ranked #3 on their list less then a year ago. The Armalite AR10 of which I own the The AR-10® DEF10 model that I have replaced the single stage stock trigger with a two stage 1lb/3.5lb and have ordered a 20" barrel to replace the 16" while considering a 24" for a future up grade, I have installed the 5 port Ultradyne Apollo S 7.62 muzzle break on the 16" and ordered another for the 20". the riffle is outfitted with a mid sized Bi-pod, Green lazer aimer for short range (under 100ft), ATN X-sight 4k electronic Day/Night Rifle scope with 5-20x lens with inferred light for night hunting and X-trac remote to control the scope functions, also added a forward pistol grip with momentary contact trigger switch to activate the lazer when needed. my only complaint about this rifle is its heavy weight (7.6lb bare bones stock) you can imagine how much heaver it is with all the added hardware but it all adds to its accuracy and functionality. I for one am quite pleased with this beast.
What are some recommendations regarding scopes for a 20" SFAR. Plans are a DMR role.
I really like Nightforce and Trijicon 1-8. The Sig 1-8 is a great option for only around $500 and its still second focal plane.
The AR 10 is my favorite rifle. If I could have only one long gun, an AR 10 in .308 Win would be my choice. With a carefully selected range of ammo, this is possibly the most versatile rifle on the planet.
I have owned and shot several AR 10 rifles. As a CANADIAN, decades ago I had access to the MILSPEC [converted auto ] ORIGINAL DUTCH AI versions, and owned a a couple of dozens of these. I was an early adopter of the commercial copies including three of the Remington R25 variants. Once you did a decent trigger job and found the ammo each individual rifle preferred, these would usually do MOA or better.
With the original AI versions, SUDANESE and PORTUGUESE military surplus, many would shoot MOA with military 7.62 NATO BALL ammo. This was incredible accuracy for the time. I was building custom accurised M14 rifles and getting these to shoot under 2" was a challenge. Check out the M24.ca BLACKFEATHER chassis system, which was an attempt to give the M14 the handling and balance of the AR10.
I am currently most interested in the RUGER lightweight variant in .308. While I do respect the versatility and capabilities ofbmy AR 15 [with a .22LR conversion kit included] the AR 10 simply has more power, more range, more versatility.
Why was the JP LRI20 or SR25 not tested? if your going to test the best you need to include the JP and Knights in the testing. I own the LRI20 and worked as a weapons designer for Knights in the early 2000s.
What about Noveski ?
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You forgot the Stag Arms Stag 10. I get sub-MOA with Norma match ammo from a 16" barrel. They're selling at Midway for under $1000 at the moment. Excellent fit and finish.
You beat me at mentioning Stag 10. Love the functioning of my Stag Arms 10 I have had NO PROBLEMS since I purchased my arm.
I thought they weren't making any more...
I was lucky enough to pickup an early RUGER SFAR, 16" barrel for $1025. before the prices spiked. I have now pushed about 180 rounds through it and love it better every day! It now has a HOLOSUN 503 Green (circle-dot) scope with a HOLOSUN HM3XT magnifier. So far the SFAR has never had a hickup and runs like a champ either slow or fast! I have owned several ARs but this one is a serious rifle!
This is a very good write up. It’s a great list of “off the shelf” rifles that most of us sport shooters/hunters are going to be looking for at every price point. I just finished my Aero Precision M5E1 build in 308. It’s an awesome rifle. I’ll never understand why people blast you guys for not adding some custom rifle from a company most people have never heard of. Great article as always.
How can you say the Ruger SFAR is one of the best AR10s and then Leave OFF the list POF-USA REVOLUTION, and Rogue rifles, the rifles the RUGER SFAR stole its design from? But put on the list run of the mill D.I. Rifles like the Sig tread 716, PSA AR-10, and Aero M5?? And then you also leave off the list rifles like the KAC SR-25, LMT MWS, and I hate to say it, because I hate HK because of their politics, but even the HK417 deserves to be on this list more then some of these rifles you got on here.
Eric,
I have not seen your platform written anywhere, do you have one out there somewhere?
The aero M5E1 Atlas rail 18" Stainless barrel is what I found works very well. No special rounds and getting 1 MOA fairly consistent. The outliers are probably my fault. No malfunctions as of yet. Bought it in pieces starting before COVID lockdowns. Finished towards the end and did not the exact barrel I wanted. But had waited almost 2 years to finally get the last few pieces like the barrel. Love it.
I think Pew Pew is way overdue to revisit the Bear Creek Arsenal product line. They have quite a few "AR 10" offerings, including side chargers. I have 2 .223 Wylde uppers, one dual charging, a 7.63x39 side charger and an AR 10 7.62 side charger. 2 nitride, 2 stainless, all with nitrided BCGs.
The problem with BCA is quality control and consistency with their product. I like their approach to side cherging on certain platforms, but the consistency of their product in this format needs to be assessed before I will even consider their product. Right now I ' m running FM products on my builds and have yet to find a fault
Did you deliberately omit the offerings from POF- gas impingement or piston and the Stoner 25??
Came here to say this. The Ruger SFAR is the new kid in town and at a much more attractive price point, but the Revolution is a glaring omission.
We only have so much space, so if we don't add something, it doesn't mean we don't like it...just that we may not have the room. But we're constantly updating articles so keep checking back! Thanks for reading!
How does the SuperSASS GEN II AR10 compare to this list? Its price is cheaper than at least one rifle on your list.
I'm sorry, but I sincerely, don't understand why the ArmaLite AR10 Tac series is excluded from this list. I own the 16-in version and put Win .308 match ammo one on top of the other in the bullseye all day long at a hundred yards. Can anyone help me understand why be on the light. AR-10 is consistently excluded from the best AR-10 list?
Stick to reviewing suppressors...
I have the first gen repr, and I have a LMT 308MWS. Love them both and the LMT shoots as well as the repr. The LMT is stout, and sweet to shoot. I out perform (at my range) my friends DD and another friend shooting a Seekins. Why do I never see a LMT 308 in reviews, or in anybody's Top XX list.
What about the Smith and wesson A.R 10 308
I have the tread 5 56 and I absolutely love it. Made some modifications of course but the original lower and trigger are still together
This was about .308, not .223.
If you want decent quality for an ar10 .308 I'd say the sig sauer 716i is a safe bet. It's reasonably priced and the parts are superb quality. Not to mention Sig just got a huge military contract....what does that tell you?
I dont know about the Tread, I dont loke the look, but the 2015 Sig M400 Predator is a great rifle for $1,150.
All the good sruff for a 5.56. Its a little heavy but ynkess you are going house to house or something, the added qeight is not n issue.
Getting a military contract does not necessarily mean a company has a top of the line product, Sig notwithstanding. Even Uncle Sam is budget conscious. As a retired military member who has been privy to some of the decision making processes albeit at the lower level, the U.S. will spend as little as it can to get a decent performing mid level product.
Hello David i am a novice but would like to buy or own an AR rifle but i am on a fixed budget and would like to get one that i can afford but nit a really cheap one what do you recommend is it better to build one from pieces if so can you recommend the pieces please
Thank you for your expertise
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The fact you missed POF tells me this list is weak.
After tons of research and my wallet getting ready to pull the trigger on a PSA AR 10 in 308. This may sound silly but my biggest decision is 18 inch barrel or 20 inch barrel? Is that extra 2 inches really gonna give me more service, feet per second, accuracy, bullet drop etc. All else being equal, optics, barrel, trigger. Thanks!
Check out the website Balkistics by the inch and see if tge is much difference between the two barrel lengths. The go to a gun store and pick up an AR10 with 18" and 20" barrels. Compare Weight and balance. Lastly, are you looking at hunting or shooting beyond 350 yds.
If hunting, the 18" should be fine.
Do you really think a PSA AR10 is better than a STAG AR10?
STAG never seems to get the credit they truly deserve. I have a 15, thats about 10 years old and I'd put it up against just about anything out there for durability and accuracy, 1000's of rounds and many many mag dumps, never jambed. Not to mention this wep is the "true" definition of a tack driver, it's nothing to put 5 - 7 rounds (or more), one after the next, in a nickel sized hole at 200
As a devoted AR-15 user, I made the jump with a PA-10 Gen 3. Why PSA? Same reason you buy a Honda Civic, for the outstanding value. There are more expensive and better options available, but dollar for dollar they are the best things going. Most guys don't even get to the AR-10 realm with prices of everything soaring these days. The SIG Tread just may be my 2nd acquisition, with legendary SIG quality and good price. Plus the India Army contract for these proves their battle worthiness.
nice article ,,yep it would be nice to have one of those rifles, to help to defend the USA,
but i only have an old spanish mauser in 308, bolt action,, iron sights, good to 500 yds,
cant see pass that,, but what the hell,, its works,, same with 30-30, works cant see past 100
yards,, ill just dream in my past years, where i could hit my target at 500 yds with iron
sights, no matter what i used,, be nice people, Semper Paratus,
Hello M.B. ,They don't make them like that anymore. Those old timers keep on ticking. You should update that 30-30 though. May I suggest building one with PSA parts, they are budget friendly and gives an old coot something to do in retirement. Enjoy ,XPO Joe Spag
From the front porch I use the Sig, open sights, Magpul, MBUS front and rear. The trackline down to the barn is 40 yards. Semper Paratus. SC 181
Randy Luth of Luth-AR (formerly DPMS/Panther Arms) has a multi-target sheet of five sub-moa five shot groups at 100 yards that I shot with one of the first DPMS LR-308 rifles delivered way back when.
The ammo was Federal GMM 175 gr. The scope was a brand new Springfield 6-20x50 with 30mm tube, mounted in KAC rings, and a modified RRA two stage trigger with a total weight of pull of 2.5 lbs.
First and smallest was .215” Last one, shot in a thunderstorm that popped up on a typical Florida summer afternoon, was .953” IIRC.
I haven’t been shooting in the last ten years or so, but recently picked up an AP 6.5 CM upper to try out, and a new 20” Faxon barrel to replace the original DPMS 24” bull barrel on the LR-308. I’ll soon find out if I can still do it.
Many years ago, I obtained an Armalite AR10 A4 - haven't looked at any other AR10 since (other than in passing interest). I had to have M14 - 20 round magazines modified (by Armalite). The newer lowers use a different magazine size and configuration and won't fit my mag well - a very minor problem for older Armalite AR10 owners. I've changed some of the furniture and put a 6x24x50 scope on it for long range shooting, and it's a sub-minute of angle firearm. Using the Sierra 175 gr. MatchKing BTHP in my hand-loads produces a one-jagged-hole 5 shot group at distances out to 300+ yards. Pardon my being blunt, but the late-commers don't interest me. (wink). AR-10 are awesome performers, and the next step up from the AR-15's. I believe everyone should own at least one.
You have got to be kidding on this list. JP Enterprises LRI-20 is the clear king. Having Palmetto on your list for the best is joke.
I reached out to Aero Precision and received this answer:
Your Question: What is the moa of this M5E1 enhanced 308 cmv 20" upper? Is there any moa or sub moa guarantee? Are any of your other M5 308 uppers of a different moa?
Answer: Please note that our barrels are manufactured by our sister company Ballistic Advantage and they guarantee sub MOA accuracy with match grade ammunition.
So it seems that if an AP isn't submoa with match ammo, that's on the builder (AP if you buy the complete upper or complete rifle from them). Or possibly the scope mounter or the shooter or the stability of your resting platform when shooting 100 yards.
Hi,I am a army veteran use to shooting a m16.what would you recommend for hunting and self defense. I started looking at the ar10.what about the black rain ??
NONE of these are AR10's. They are wannabes. AR10's are built by Armalite.
Agreed!
oh thank god the brand guardian has arrived to set us straight.
do you yell at your wife if she dares to bring home toasted cheese crackers from the store and calls them cheez-its.
I will stick with my PWS MK2. Looked at numerous offerings before I purchased, but the only competition I found was Daniel, Larue, and LWRC. Since I have purchased a couple other AR platforms from PWS. Great company to work with, never a single misfeed, and best of all piston driven.
No Windham Weaponry?
I had the Windam SRC in 5.56. It was sub moa. Very nice. Wonder how their AR-10s are.
No RRA LAR8??? Wtf are you dudes getting paid to write about?? Affordable LAR8 probably out shoot those high enders and accepts FAL mags and 1000m detachable carry handle!!!
Yep, I second that. I've got an Lar-8 with 2 uppers, 1 is a 26" varmint bull barrel that will put 10 rnds of handloads at .5 moa, but omg it's heavy! The other upper a 16" Hbar is easily a 1 moa shooter. My only regret is I wish I'd have got a 20"-22" predator barrel in the first place. Have yet to have a malfunction with this rifle.
I assume you can get a second upper in 6.5 CM then use it interchangeably with any of these guns lowers?
A second upper from the same brand as who makes the lower is highly advised but yes!
just got a bear creek arsenal 16 inch complete upper in .308 = $635 shipped
stuck it on top of a psa complete lower with all magpul furniture and enhanced polished trigger = $300 shipped and transferred
taking it to the range in 3 days
if it runs ok and is reasonably accurate at 100 yards with 147 fmj going to put a vortex 1-8x on it and try it again at 300 with some 168 match
"i got laying around"
David, Enjoyed the article on the AR10's and fully respect your opinions on the different brands. I see you included my favorite builds in the PSA's. Simply can not find a more dependable AR10 for the same price.
Why wasn’t a armalite national match AR-10, listed in the top 6?
I'm a 64 yr. old woman looking for a used possibly an army surplus rifle with at least a 10 round magazine, & also a 10. I'm an avid shooter & am also looking for a used pistol no smaller than a 38, preferable a little larger recover.
I personally have to put my DPMS Gen 3 AR-10 !! I love it, Bought at a gun show in Fort Worth Texas about 6 months ago and I have to say pretty much zero right out of the box.
Where is the LMT L-129? It out shoots all barrel nut weapons with interchangeable barrel monolithic receiver. British don’t use politics to select weapons, they shot them all and picked Karl’s way.
>British don’t use politics to select weapons
I highly recommend Forgotten Weapon's videos on the development of the SA80!
Geezus the best AR-10 is an Armalite Super SASS. PERIOD!!! Second best is an ArmaLite AR10A4F!!! the rest dont really matter.
What's wrong with the Actual Sig Sauer 716 like the GEN 1,2,3 NOT the cheaper version the 716i Tread.
Had M14 in service and love the .308 round. Have question: how does AR 10 in .308 compare for accuracy with Remington 700 in 30.06? Straight off the shelf, or FOB?
the ArmaLite Super SASS is equal in a lot of cases as far as .308 or 7.62X51 is concerned. Verses a bolt action 30.06 in comparison thats an unfair advantage for ANY semi auto rifle unless its a Nemo Arms Omen in .300 magnum but those rifles start at 4 grand and go to over $8000.00. The Omen Match or Watchman would be as good or better but this is only an assumption. My Remington 700 is chambered in .300 magnum and its deadly @ 1000 yards so using that as a comparison I doubt theres a semi auto sniper rifle on Earth thats as accurate no matter who the manufacturer is.
PWS..... all day
I realize that almost no one has heard of them, but I think at least 1 of Roam R-10's should make the list. The low weight of those rifles is just awesome. Their red river ultralight comes in 5.6 pounds with a 16" barrel.
PPT
I appreciate your info on complete AR 15s & AR 10s. Never owned either but with your wisdom I have my gun shop looking for a BCM Recce AR 15 and a Aero Precision AR 10 for me.
Under current times it may take awhile to obtain both but it will be worth the wait.
I do not have the time or the skill set to build one
Thank you PPT
Respectfully submitted
C O
This is the same AR set-up I am running. Love my BCM AR-15. Purchased the upper and lower separately at my LGS in 2020. Still waiting for the right Aero 308 FDE upper at the right price, but my Aero M5E1 FDE lower is in hand ready.
Check out Haze Line Guns. They had AP 308 20" FDE upper available (Aug 19). I didn't get it because I need black not FDE.
Has anyone done an objective review on a ROAM 6.5 Creedmore Great Plains AR-10 platform rifle?
It's not a straight up gun review, but YouTube channel Texas JAGD, has 2 videos on the red river ultralight. In the first video he weighs it and it comes in 6.5 pounds.
I read a Guns and Ammo review suggesting semiautomatic out to 800 was accurate but past that you needed bolt action. His data wasn't too solid imo, but if true, seems like 308 is best for semiautomatic and any distance sought beyond that is best tackled with a manual bolt action.
Just a suggestion. Compare them all to the Original Armalite AR-10 (Super SASS)?
Lmt, kac, hk, gap, JP??
Larue?
How is the Patriot Ordnance Factory Revolution not on this list? .308 in an AR-15 size and weight.
HEY DAVID I DONT KNOW WHEN THE LAST TIME U CHECKED WITH PSA ABOUT ANY PA 10 UPPERS OR LOWERS. I HAVE BEEN ON A 3MO WAITING LIST. I AM DONE WITH PSA. I WILL PAY MORE TO GET MY PRODUCTS NOW AND ALWAYS. I AM SURE I AM NOT IN A CATEGORY BY MYSELF. I DONT SEE ANYTHING IN THE 10S FOR 600.00 AS U SAY.AS LONG AS THEY SELL THE HIGH DOLLAR ITEMS, THE BUDGET ITEMS WILL NEVER BE BACK IN STOCK.
POF Revolution not on the list? How's that possible?
Any reason you don't review the HK versions along with other companies? Is it because they are piston action rather than direct impingement? (Sorry if you have already answered this)
You should have included the POF Revolution and the KAC SR-25.
My Larue 308 OBR has been sub-MOA with 175gr Federal Gold Medal Match.....about $1400 if you build it.
What is wrong with the Original Sig Sauer 716 DMR Piston driven.
What? No HK MR762A1? Blasphemous!!
I love all your selections! The Sig Tread is one i have wanted since i spotted one in a video! Also like the Aero and Brownells and the PSA! I already own a few PSA complete rifles and an couple of extra BCGs and other parts.The very top end of my budget is about 1300.00 so it would be the Tread or maybe i could bump it up to one of those there Retro rifles i just love how them bad boys look! But PSa makes a great product for the money and ia great selection that can be upgraded later with triggers and barrels and other parts if you really want to go that route?The most i have done to my PSAs is add a new trigger upgrade and maybe a carrying handle.iron sight.They are tough,quality made rifles and as long as you get a chrome lined heavy barrel you will be passing it down to your kids or other family member no matter how old you are! The other brand i consider a quality rifles is Stag Arms AR15s and AR10s!I own one of their Minimalist AR15s chambered in .223/5.56 with a heavy Chrome lined heavy barrel and its the 1st AR i have ever had with a 1-7twist that shoots all three 55gr,62gr,and 77gr rounds quite well.The 77gr dose start to tumble about 200yrds though.My Del-Ton chambed in the same is a 1-9 and shoots those heavier bullets so much better! but also can shoot the 55gr out to 200 without issue.....I feel like i lucked out with both!!! P.S. the Del-Ton is one of the later Gen. rifles and quite better then those they 1st put out!!! :) One of my other PSas chambed in .224Valkrie is AWESOME!!!
Just built a custom AR-10 into a an Aero M5E frame all other components from other manufacturers for optimum performance for PRS and NRL gas gun competitions at my first match shots no problem from from 200 yards to a 1,050 yards with 3/5 hits on target at 1,050 beginning the day with only theoretical data. Love my build go my DOPE and calculator trued look forward to the next match and pushing out hits to 1,200 yards with 140gr ELDs.
What barrel do you have? I've got AP M5E1 lower and 1 M5E1 upper in .308 w BA standard 20" barrel and another M5E1 22" heavy barrel in 6.5 CM. BA claims sub moa with match ammo but the Pew Pew M5E1 review has me concerned I won't get what BA promises. I'm hoping worst case scenario I can fix with a better barrel if my first testing doesn't prove out the submoa promise.
I see the picture of "A fully kitted R.E.P.R.," which shows an elevation adjustment on the buttstock. Could you describe that, and how to get one? Any reviews on that option?
That is the Accu-Shot Monopod! It attaches to the bottom of the Magpul PRS stock that is being used on that rifle.
I'm of fan of this and it can be a relatively quick adjustment with practice.
Can’t argue with any of your picks (haven’t shot any of them), but I do love my Springfield Armory Saint Victor. Less than half the price of several of these also!
I have the Saint Victor as well. Love it!
I'm quite surprised that Diamondback's DB10 didn't make your list.
What about the SPRINGFIELD Saint????
Two worth mention, POF Revolution and Savage MSR. Maybe or maybe not one of the best 5, but I'd be happy with either. As someone else mentioned, the RRA is another I'd be happy with.
I own the POF and it is a nail driver! Very surprised it wasn't on this list.
POF never makes any of the lists here. Not sure why. I have a P415 Edge that I would put up against any AR-15 on the the market.
The Revolution is simply one of the finest AR platform 7.62 rifles on the planet.
I also have a 415 edge but I also have an LMT MARS H in 308. The Revolution is light but I wouldn’t trust one for an extended period. I know I’ve got a lifetime warranty with these caliber guns but a cracked bolt on a revolution or some other issue with the smaller frame might crop up after extended use. LMTs/KAK make better rifles with battle scars to match.
There is a reason why AR10/SR25’s are the size they are, the pressure increases are much bigger.
I have an older DPMS LR308 that with hand loads, has shot 1/2 moa, this gun maybe the exception though. 24" stainless fluted barrel, magpul ps3 stock and a CMC trigger, which helps a lot over a stock trigger
What, no love for RRA? Have one lower and 2 uppers from them. One upper is a 26" bull barrel to be used on deer from a distance. Most accurate rifle I've ever had in my hands, have model 70 Winchesters that can't come close. 10 rnds at 100yds and one hole that you could cover with a nickel. And yes, heavier than a feed sack. So, I thought well I'll get a 16" to carry around, not nearly as heavy. Still able to put 10 rnds size of a quarter. Great rifles, extreme quality. 1 downside, have to use either their mags or Fal mags. Never had a malfunction. Great for down on the farm.
How could you not add Armalite to the list ?
This is the weakest comparison of an AR10 I have ever read.
Could you please add Sig’s 716i and S&W M&P10 to your next round of AR-10 comparisons?
Sig is on the list! We'd like to do the M&P 10 but we're not sure yet.
How about adding the CMMG as well?
Why arent you sure about m&ps?
Has anyone heard of a lower available in .338 Lapua for a semi-auto build?
No Stag Arms Stag 10? Just ordered one. Comments?
No KAC M110 or SR-25??
Where is number 5?
It skips from #4 Brownells to #6 PSA...
Might as well remove the Aero M5E1 from the list because they are never available. I've been on a waiting list for notification when available for probably close to a year now.
Complete rifles are hard to find lately, but builder kits are fairly easy to pick up!
Bro I literally just ordered one. They're available
Thank u MATTHEW, I'VE BEEN LOOKING AT "AR-10s for months. Your help made up my mind for me. I'm a old Veteran ( Nam) ,I wish I had my M-16 I carried. It was 1of the good ones. Thank u & GOD BLESS YOU & YOUR. Rangers lead the WAY!
If you really want to try a good at 10 then you need to shoot a jp Lrp large frame rifle they are second to none and out of the box will outshoot any of the rifles you have mentioned
I had /have a DPMS AR10. I can’t help but buy parts when they get to stupid sale price range. Long story short only thing DPMS is the lower. I’m a fan of the Ballistic Advantage barrels and caught one super cheap. Everything else premium parts with a larue trigger. July 4 sales are awesome every year. It’s a tank but shoots fantastic. A lot of gun for a reasonable price. Off topic but DPMS has an important role. Price and reliable. Good article. I enjoyed it and you can’t do a book on everyone’s favorite. My vote for complete rifle would be Larue but that’s some serious change. Do I own one? Nope. One day maybe.
Had really liked the Aero for quite a while. Just picked up a SA Saint Victor 308. Why did I go that route?
1. Under $1100
2. Love BCM furniture
3. Came w/NBT flat trigger, bus, muzzle brake
4. Low weight & recoil
5. Great balance
I am very happy and regret free.
If you were going for quality and price, I would've thrown Larue's AR10 ultimate upper kit up there. It can be had in 7.62 Nato, .260 or 6.5 creedmoor with a matching Larue lower and all the needed parts to complete the build including Larue's MBT trigger for under $1400.
The DPMS Oracle LR308 isn’t bad, but it isn’t great either. I bought one, because it’s what was available at the time. It comes with a standard AR15 length receiver extension, which means they run that ridiculously small buffer. Because I already had the parts here, I put a Vltor A5 tube on it, which let me fit a regular size AR15 carbine buffer, i.e. a heavier buffer. That helped smooth out the gun tremendously. It also comes stock with a carbine length gas system. There is no reason on gods green earth to run that short of a gas system on any AR pattern gun if barrel length permits a longer one. I’ve got less than 500 rounds through this and I’m already looking at buying a different barrel with a longer gas port. But other than that, I can’t complain too much about this rifle. It’s not like you are going to run a carbine course with it. That’s not what a 7.62 NATO AR is made for
I have a:
DPMS NATO .308/7.62
To get my moneys worth for hunting boar or deer. What length barrel would best work for me?
I would like to know if you have planned on AR-10 in a 50 caliber design.
You should check out the Sig Sauer 716
We're working on that! It should be coming... soon... ish.
My savage msr 10 hunter (upgraded) is up for the Pepsi challenge of any of these offerings. Sadly they tend to get ignored.
What about Savage models?
LMT, PWS, S&W M&P10... all misses, especially compared to PSA or the other cheap models. Might have been better titled... starter AR10s
Agree on aero and none othe rest. How is lmt or kac not on this list?
Was going to post exactly this.
Love my Blackrain AR-10!
POF Revolution.
YUP ! Can't believe POF didn't make the list with their game changing E2 extraction , roller cam pin, among other things they have made a ar15 that shoots .308 . Also Can't beat their newer p308 edge going for 1300 to 1600 depending on small upgrades any case that's a steal for a POF .
LMT....nuff said! Because Lions don't eat mice.
You haven’t even scratched the surface of best AR10 the LWRC is a great gun, there extractors are top notch, reliable gun, I have put together some PSA and AERO rifles, AERO isn’t bad but not the best. DPMS and psa they are cheap and for many reasons! Definitely not a top 6 AR. I’d stick the Ruger SR10 in here before some of these just because it’s more reliable. Especially if you compare bcg.
Nemo Arms... enough said!!
Do you not like Sig Sauers 716
The best one was left out. KAC SR-25.
That and the LMT LM8 and their other sharpshooter rifles.
A number of years back, my wife...God Bless her, bought me a DPMS Oracle Panther. I was looking to buy a 7.62x51..so Christmas came. She paid about $640 for it. I didn't like the trigger Mech ( gritty and long pull) so it got a Timney 2#/2# 2 stage. I then bought a LUTH-AR M3 stock and a Miculek Compensator. I had some YHM sites and a few other optics from a 3-9 to red dot... on hand. Now it is the way I like it..with a little extra furniture and it didn't kill me. Accurate enough for me ...but with the compensator... I don't make friends at the range LOL. I don't intend to hunt with it, have other rifles for that. It is just something I enjoy and didn't eat a big hole in my budget at one bite. I reload so feeding it isn't much of a problem and ammo by the case isn't that cost prohibitive. I think DPMS is a good entry for those who want an AR type platform to play with. I did find one thing interesting.. Randy Luth was the head of DPMS before moving onto building the stocks.
Enjoy what you buy and don't second guess your choice. Study them and then pick.
Why didn't you list a price for the Armalite?
I recently put together my first AR and opted for Aero Precision parts. I’m usually into precision and have stayed away from AR’s because the have not had the reputation of bolt guns with superb custom actions. For my build I elected to go with their M4 in 6.5 Creedmoor. My first group after zeroing at 350 yds was a freshly painted steel plate at 590 yds. It measured 3 1/2”. Thinking this to be a fluke, I fired another five rounds after a slight sight adjustment and printed a 3 5/8” group. After running a brush and tight patch through the bore and firing a fouling shot we fired two more groups. The first was a duplicate of the first and the second had a flyer that took the group to 4”. This was with hand loads and 142 gr Sierra MK bullets. I guessed on the load, but believe I can shave the groups by tinkering with the load a bit more. For a semi loader this has exceeded my expectation and I may build another for my son. I can’t see any reason to spend more that I did with Aero.
1. AP M4 in 6.5 CM - I think you meant M5 because I'm not aware of any AP M4 in 6.5 other than 6.5 Grendel.
2. What barrel did you use? Sounds like you bought a complete upper from AP so I'm. Guessing that's a Ballistic Advantage barrel, but was it their heavy barrel? If it was not a BA barrel, can you tell us what it was? Brand, length, weight, metal?
3. By my calculations your 590 yard groups were nearly 0.5 moa. That's surprising to me because Pew Pew's own write up on the AP M5 had them getting 2 moa to 1.5 moa at 100 yards. If you are getting 0.5-ish moa at 590 yards, that gives me renewed confidence in my own AP M5E1 investments, assuming we have the same barrel.
>> S&W M&P10
As an M&P10 owner, let me say this about that. The bolt lugs and barrel extension are proprietary. Nothing but another S&W BCG will fit. Some parts are interchangeable with DPMS-pattern rifles, but the important internal stuff that is likely to wear out or break is proprietary. Better yet, S&W does not sell spare parts for the M&P10. If you want your M&P10 repaired, you must send it back to the factory. But wait, there's more: the S&W repair shop will not work on an M&P10 if it has been modified in any way from the original factory configuration. That fancy aftermarket rail means they won't touch my rifle. I like the rifle, it shoots well, but I have no spare parts and cannot buy any.
The question you should really be asking is: Will it send?
*...don’t have unlimited funds.
Could you possibly do a follow-up article comparing Best AR-10s under $2K and include the S&W M&P10?
Most of us would love to go out and get a KAC SR25 but don’t have .
Before the coronavirus hit and gun stores were emptied you could find great deals if you did your research. POF .308 rifles were going cheap as 1300 .
Ar10 you ask about best accuracy i have found that the 308 realy works good up to 1200 yards thats where you seperate the men from the boys i have several 308s and all of them fall off accuracy at around 1 to 1250 yards i do have one that does reach out there but its an old shmit ruben roller bolt in 308 and ive been known to wack pop bottles with it at 1350.
and then you woke up.
So when you get to building one look up Iconic Industries. BSF Barrels, Hyperfire triggers, JP Enterprise and phase 5 extended bolt release. I USED A Gibbz upper. I stacked a Athlon Cronus on top
Wish I could post a picture
I do own a LWRC "reaper" love the rifle [ and the name].
I waited months to get it, but definately worth it. No complaints at all with this one.
I enjoyed the article Matt.
Look forward to seeing more.
Where would you place the SA Saint Victor in 308 in the AR-10 article you wrote?
Doing a build. Aero recievers. Either a faxon 18" big gunner or a criterion 16" w/rifle length. SA adj. Gas block, bleed off, titanium BC, magpul fixed MOE(maybe) and a surefire warcomp. Trigger, either the 80ish dollar larue 2 stage or a cmc (i think) drop in 3lbs ss. Its for hogs and commies. Top it with P.A. acss dmr 308 and side mount irons. Suggestions?
.......thot I would mention something I'm gonna try, well, unless ya'll advise against it. I have a '64 Pro Street Corvette with a supercharged big block and I have been using these heat shield fabric "socks" to protect a couple of spark plug wires that are almost touching the headers. Absolutely no heat damage to the wires and the socks show no discoloration. Found a new package of two in the garage the other day and have couple AR builds in progress nearby and thot occurred to me that they are just the right size to slip over AR barrel. They're bout 5" long so you could use as few or as many as needed. Most of my hand guards don't have heat shields and since these things wouldn't be snug so wouldn't trap heat tight to the barrel so do you think it would be ok to try them. You can imagine how hot the headers are right out of the engine and I can touch the pipe with one of these on my finger and can feel some heat but not much. Just Google "plug wire heat shields". Guess I'll see if you try em. Or start marketing them and make millions. L8r
.....I realize there are gonna be lots of comments about AR-10s you didn't mention and since there are not as many 10's out there as 15's you could just about rate em all. Only because I have one, I was expecting to see the Sig 716 Patrol or at least the 716 DMR w/18" match barrel and trigger upgrade. I did drop in trigger upgrade on mine and made very noticeable difference. Comes in a bit heavy at over 9lbs......wait, I'm tryin to write a review and I already know this stuff. One thing I don't know if ya'll have rated are muzzle brakes. Put one of the highest rated ones on the 716 and not sure if it helped cause I was too busy goin deaf. Damn. Ear plugs AND electronic muffs. I thot the weapon had exploded. Maybe I was too close to my Suburban and a building but unless I'm up on the 50 I'll just deal with recoil. Shoulders heal, mostly, hearing don't. Thank goodness no one was with me. My thots for today. Oh yeah, re:Palmetto SA. I bought 10 or more stripped lowers b4 selection just in case and finally am gettin around to building bout 1 a month in different configurations. To match upper and lower finishes I'm using Krylon Rust Tough semi-flat black or semi gloss high heat engine paint. Clean with lacquer thinner or disc brake cleaner. Apply light coats and then hit it with heat gun. Hair dryer does ok. Stands up to wear and elements pretty good and easy to,touch up if shows wear or scratches. Redneck powder coating. That semi-flat is also great for making underhood & inner fenders look like new, or at least well maintained . Sorry, all my comments turn into novels. 64yrs old and got a lot to share and my time is short. Great site, keep up gd work. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing". Edmund Burke.
I too have a 716 G2 patrol I would have figured it would've been included hear. After breaking it in properly I dropped in a hiperfire trigger added a Jerry michilich muzzle break, spent the time to time it how I liked, and with hand loads it's a tack driver, under an inch, Federal premium match 165 grn outta the box is a close 2nd.
Just keep talkin old man, those of us with lots of grey in our whiskers usually have a little extra life experience to share. I dont have a 10 yet, so. I'm all ears....eyes, it is a comment section after all...
no kac but psa and dpms make the list.Lmfao
"I’ve put half a mag in a half inch hole at 100 yards. " I'd love to see that replicated
**Drooling...**
Really surprised that the POF (which is the same size as an AR15) didn’t make your list. I can accept that you can only do so many, but it’s really pretty unique.
+1 on getting a POF into the mix. I've converted several AR-10 owners (2k to 3k price range) with some time behind my POF P308 Edge Gen4 SPR (18.5"). EVERYONE loves the feel of the gas piston recoil impulse, and the .6 MOA accuracy with hand loads.
I was able to get my new P.O.F. P308 edge for 1300 on Budsgunshop. I have seen they are up to 1400 now but it's still a great price for what you get.Only thing you need to add is triple port muzzle brake $60) And P.O.F. 3.5 lb drop in trigger for $160) Both from optics planet and your set!
What about the DPMS G2? Small frame and pretty good support. Mine shoots MOA and has been 100% reliable. I took my Hunter model and cut the barrel down to 16” and added a MI mlok rail, replacing the carbon fiber rail. I also replaced the Mapgul Rifle stock with an Mapgul SL buttstock and heavy buffer and added an adjustable gas block to tune to the Ammo I’m running. After adding a Vortex Viper PST 1-6 the gun hits the gong out to 600 yards very easily. It’s lightweight and sleek and I’m surprised it didn’t make the list as the next step in AR10 pattern rifles.
#1. LaRue Tactical OBR. The only rifle on your list that's even close is the LWRC...and it's only close.
Love the Rock River LAR 8
Any opinion on a complete 308 in any of these brands? 2A Armament, Black Rain Ordnance, DiamondBack, Patriot Ordnance Factory, Wilson Combat, Christensen Arms
If you're willing to spend the money, Wilson Combat will always be one of my top recommendations. Everything they make is very high quality.
I have a black rain bro10 and their ar15. The ar10 hasn’t given me one problem at all. I absolutely LOVE it but I don’t have anything to compare it to so take that as you will.
I'm glad you didn't mention Stag Arms. I've had an order in with them since 12/4/2018. It is now 2/3/19. I don't care how good their stuff is if they won't ship it.
My inbox is always full with their products on sale. The only problem its not in stock. I called and got a run around when the parts will be in but they sent me a refund very quick on my request.
Great article but I agree with Mark. Should have had the M&P 10 in the article. Oh well...
I'm in the middle of an AR-308 build and am using an AERO precision upper and lower. I managed to get each on sale from Brownells at different times for the build. A couple of parts left, including the bolt carrier group.
I also have a DPMS LR-308 Sporticle I bought from Walmart a few years back when they still had the AR rifles. It's pretty much a direct copy of the Oracle without a forward assist or a dust cover. It shoots great, but a replacement trigger was the first upgrade I did. I made that decision after 1 shot.
I've built a couple AR-15 and AR-15 pistols and am thinking about an AR-10 pistol as my next project, but am going to do a lot of research on that one before I start.
I bought an Armalite, AR-10, 308 a few yrs back and couldn’t have gotten a better weapon for daily carry and when hunting has the accuracy for shots out to 400yds if that’s your choice. I have a Leopold, H.A.M.R. for my bottom scope and a Leopold(?) red dot on top of it. Deadly combo. The action was very smooth from the box, the and worked like a fine watch. The controls were practically instinctive after a few minutes of going over it, the empty mags dropped with no problem( and after some practice locating the mag well while keeping my eyes watching, i could drop the mag and, if necessary, put another mag in with ease. The AR-10s recoil surprised me. Even the M-14 had some recoil, but the Armalite seems to recoil more straight back than up. I can’t afford any tools to do all those tedious number details and other really necessary numbers needed for precision shooting. I’m from back in the woods and learned to shoot when I was seven yrs. old( and received a Winchester .22LR, bolt action, single shot rifle) and was taught the fundamentals of shooting and the all important Kentucky windage. Not much of a review, but I wrote the rifle was reliable in all aspects I could judge and you don’t feel beat up if you shoot a lot of rounds. Wish I had bought one yrs ago.
Hey Matthew, first off I Love the article but no mention of the Smith either...granted it might not be perfect out of the box, but after a few personal mods (mine has prs stock, PACT drop in trigger, diamondhead handguard & gas block) gives my PSA a run for its money out to 720 yrds. What is your take on the M&P10?
Great article! Very thorough and informative. I've purchased 3 firearms from PSA... My Springfield XD Mod 2 subcompact 40 Cal.. Got it brand new for $329 which is outstanding. I also have two rifles.. Both AR15 in .556, one with a magpul handguard, the other with a freefloat M Lok handguard. I love them. You are right, they can take a while to ship.. But my last upper I purchased online late Monday night... Processed Wednesday day and I received it Thursday afternoon! Was amazing wish it was always like that.
They offer really reliable rifles for outstanding prices! Best part is everything they make they guarantee for life. If something breaks, they fix it.. Even if you aren't the original owner. Now that's a company you can trust.
The key is just to check their website daily. Things come in stock and don't stay long, so keep checking and when you find a great deal jump on it!
I’d like to see “10 Best” lists comparing rifles by price range, say over and under $2000. The $600 PSA may make the bang-for-the-buck top ten, but there are many .308 ARs with better reps in the mid-price range. For example Midwest Industries
This is a good idea, Phil! I'll kick the idea up the chain of command and see what bossman says.
Definitely, I have had great experience with Del-Ton and with DiamondBack (AR15s). My first custom build was purely sourced through Del-Ton and several ARs later I purchased a DiamondBack AR15 pistol. I now own a PSA AR15, a couple upper assemblies (7.72x39 & .300 Blackout and a 20" rifle kit. Another great budget AR15 not mentioned but in my opinion every bit as good as PSA and inline with their cost is BEAR CREEK Arsenal. As you stated we need a >$1000-1200 and <$1200-1500...Not everybody can afford the LWRC or DD. GREAT WRITE-UP !!
I absolutely agree with the Midwest Industries 308. An amazing rifle that does not get the recognition that it deserves.
I have a savage msr 10 hunter in 308 .added a magpul grip,ruger elite trigger and stoner muzzle break.got the gas port adjusted and scope dialed in. Shoots like a dream
Where's the KAC? Larue ? or LMT? Your top ar10 lust is ridiculous. You left out the 3 best. Looks like a list of your top paid advertisers.
Everyone's top 10 list is going to be different. It's easy to criticize and even more difficult to come up with readable content that people don't shit on.
Thanks Ryan! We're working on trying out more high-end rifles all the time and will update when we do!
Very Well Said!!!
I have a question Brian, do you actually own the rifles on your list or did you just hear about them on some “sniper” forum you read? These guys say all the time they buy or borrow products they test. They don’t have sponsors. This is a good list of different budget rifles.
I have DPMS Oracles in both 5.56 & 308. I have used PSA to make changes to my 5.56 & build one for my son. I am considering a PSA upper for my 308 and would like to know if there are any compatibility problems between the 308s.. Any advice would be appriciated.
I have read that the DPMS lowers are compatible with PA10's uppers. I have no personal experience with that combo, but HIGHLY recommend the PA10 using Palmettos upper and lower. Mine shoots any of the Russian steel ammo and all of the domestic stuff I have tried with not a single failure.
I bought the Aero M5E1 and added pieces. I love shooting it each time I take it out to the range; So far I have not had a chance to take a varmint. I am a rehab left hand shooter and the rifle performs with a sling and scope.
Shoot good ammo and it performs both bought or my reloads. Pat Cavanaugh Round Rock, TX
Do AR-15 pattern drop in triggers work in DPMS pattern AR-10 lowers?
yes they do.
You forgot the PWS MK2 MOD-1's. Long stroke piston rather than DI, awesome flash suppressor (good enough for the SCAR's), accurate, and can now be had in a 6.5 Creed. All this for just under 2k. I would also consider the LaRue's and Barrett. At the end of the day it is probably your wallet that will make the ultimate decision
Why is there no mention of the POF Revolution? I have been doing a ton of research and the POF is the most commonly liked AR-10 rifle I have heard from quite a few sources. I know it is a smaller company but surely not so small that you haven't heard of it. It makes your claim that these are "the best AR-10s" seem more like "The Best AR-10s that I've heard of". A major blow to this website's credibility.
REPR has proprietary parts and an even higher price. I can't speak to the POF revolution, I'm skeptical of any 308 rifle that's scaled down to an AR15 size. That has almost always caused issues in my experience. However I have a P308 Edge and it's amazing. I'll stack it up against any AR10 on the market and there are plenty of reviews out there from customers and bloggers/journalists to back that up. Seems more and more that you list and review sponsored products. That's fine if that's the case, everyone needs to make a buck, but be up-front about it.
If you'd ever care to review a POF P308 Edge, let me know. I'm in Utah and would be happy to let you test my rifle
+1.
My P308 Edge Gen4 SPR (18.5') came out of the box shooting .6 MOA with hand loads, and running flawless!
Wow no mention of Barrett or LMT?? I guess pewpewtactical has never handled the really good ones
When you going to get to the uppers and are you going to go through all the components barrels, trigger mechanisms, and any other parts that are performance related not personal preference ie stocks pistol grips and so on. I’d say go from most important/$$$ To lease.
This was a somewhat entertaining but useless article. "I can hit a coke can at a quarter of a mile" (440 yards) and so on doesn't tell me a thing about the accuracy of these weapons. Basically a waste of my time. A better title for this article might have been "What I Did Last Weekend"
Because I couldn't test each rifle with ideal ammo under ideal circumstances, I can't really give accuracy recommendations beyond what I've shot with them, or what folks I trust have shot with them. If I can find somebody that's got an Armalite AR-10 I can test, I'll run some rounds through it and get some slightly more scientific numbers out of it for you, but generally all of these rifles are going to be as accurate as the ammo and the shooter will allow them to be.
Contact me if u want to give a lmt mws a test ride
great article. Just because I am curious, why did the Christensen Arms CA-10 DMR not make this list? Just not main stream enough?
Mostly because I've never shot it or seen it shot. Christensen is a great manufacturer though, I love their stuff. I've heard good things about their DMR.
Or the Springfield M1A?
because this article is "best ar10s", not "what does corporal cocksucker have in his closet"? seems simple enough.
Ummmm, this is about AR10s.. You saying M1A tells us yu have NO experience with either..
Funny you saved the DD5V2 for last and made a big fuss about the price, but said nothing about the LWRCi Reaper price even though it’s over $1100 more than the DD. Do you think the Reaper is that much better?
On the REPR MKII which muzzle shroud is shown on the fully kitted picture?
Great article Matthew. I just picked up (paid but pick up next week) a PSA AR-10 308 Win with Vulcan variable red dot. New $1K. Looks close to the same specs that you listed. I'm curious and looking forward to reading your results. Thanks!
I agree about the LWRCi and the Daniel Defense. However, I believe the LaRue Tactical OBR outperforms every rifle on this list. I know that the Seals made three simultaneous head shots on Somali pirates, in the dark, with waves capping at 10 feet in the ocean with three OBR's. So did you not think about it or is there something about the rifle you don't like?