The stuffed teddy bears you snuggled with during childhood might have led you to believe bears are cute and cuddly. However, bears are actually dangerous apex predators.
That means when you traipse into bear country, you no longer sit at the top of the food chain.
If you plan to hike, hunt, fish, or live in bear country, you should have a solid defensive plan for dangerous bear encounters. Getting mangled by an angry bruin is a good way to ruin an otherwise enjoyable outing.
To stay safe, you’ll need to pack some good old-fashioned common sense and an effective bear-stopping weapon.
Not sure what firearm you should tote into the backcountry? Don’t worry; we’ve got you covered.
THE QUICK LIST
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Editors Pick Handgun
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Best Revolver
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Best Lever Gun
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Editor’s Pick Rifle
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Best Shotgun
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Best Pump Action
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An Ounce of Prevention
Thankfully, most bears go out of their way to avoid humans. If you’ve ever wandered into bear country, there’s a good chance you’ve been within sniffing distance of a bear without even realizing it.
Despite the reclusive nature of most bruins, there has been an increase in human encounters with wild bears over the past decade.
That increase isn’t just for stereotypically wild places like Montana and Alaska. You may be more likely to bump into a bruin in New Jersey, which surprisingly has one of the densest bear populations in the lower 48.
The best way to survive a bear encounter is to not end up in a bad situation in the first place. And the best bear defense gun is no substitute for plain old common sense.
When possible, travel with a group of buddies and make plenty of noise as you go. You don’t have to mimic your raucous fraternity days. Casual conversation is usually enough to keep from stumbling into an unsuspecting bear.
If you do spot a bear, give him a wide berth. If you need to retreat, do it slowly and keep your eyes on the bear. Never turn your back. You want to be ready just in case the bear becomes aggressive.
It’s also a good idea to talk calmly to the bear. A mild “Hey, Bear” is often enough. You want him to identify you as a human so he doesn’t mistake you for a tasty between-meal snack.
Bears are highly food driven. Yogi and his picnic basket fetish aren’t too far off the mark. Keep your campsite clean and store food in airtight, bear-resistant containers.
Choosing the Right Bear Defense Gun
Bears are tough creatures. They have tough hides, muscles, bones, and attitudes. Since even the fastest human would be hard-pressed to outrun the clumsiest bear, if you do find yourself facing an angry bear, you’ll need an effective way to stand your ground without getting mauled.
When a bear encounter makes a turn for the worst, you’ll want a weapon you can use confidently and effectively.
For a fair number of people, that weapon is a firearm.
Not everyone who travels through or lives in bear country relies on the same type of weapon. In fact, what makes the “best” bear defense weapon has been the subject of some pretty heated debates.
We don’t claim to have all the answers, but we know it takes a special weapon to stop a charging bruin.
From shotguns to hand cannons to rifles, we’ll dive into the pros and cons of the most popular bear defense weapons.
Handguns
While a semi-automatic Glock 17 makes a great weapon for encounters with dangerous humans, it isn’t nearly as effective for encounters with dangerous bears.
Bears are strong runners, and even a beefy 700-pound grizzly can cover 50 yards in under 3 seconds. With that kind of speed, you’ll be lucky to pull off two haphazard shots before that angry bear is rolling you up and using your head as his new favorite chew toy.
To make those shots count, you’ll need a big bullet with enough horsepower behind it to smash through all that toughness. You’ll definitely want something with a hard cast or monolithic bullet in the chamber.
We’re big fans of Buffalo Bore Outdoorsman hard-cast bruin punchers.
These bullets don’t deliver the massive wound channel you get with an expanding bullet, but you’ll need that solid construction to get adequate penetration.
That said, a handgun is just a handgun. Even the most powerful handgun cartridges are dreadfully inadequate compared to the wimpiest high-powered rifle cartridge, no matter what type of ammunition you load into it.
However, a high-powered rifle won’t do any good if you leave it in the cabin. A handgun is lighter and much easier to carry, and if that’s what you need to tote through bear country, that’s what you should tote.
Strapping on a sidearm isn’t a bad idea, even if you have a high-caliber rifle.
Rifles are easy to put down. You might even have it strapped to your pack. But a sidearm in a quality OWB holster is always on your person. It will probably be easier to access than your long gun.
Also, if you regularly train with your EDC handgun, you might be more confident and accurate with it than with a rifle you only pull out once a year.
Revolver or Semi-Auto
Semi-automatic pistols can jam, which is not what you want when a 600-pound grizzly is bearing down on you fast. Since revolvers rarely malfunction, many backcountry hunters and residents trust their safety to a wheel gun.
The major drawback to using a revolver for bear defense is ammo capacity. Big revolvers only hold five or six rounds. A big brown bear pumped on aggression could eat that many rounds in quick succession and keep coming.
And I promise you won’t have time to reload.
As with any defensive shooting situation, proficiency with your weapon is essential. Having a handgun you can shoot well and carry comfortably is important.
If that’s a 10mm Auto, so be it. It will serve you better in a crisis than a monstrous revolver you rarely shoot and are tempted to leave in the truck.
If you decide to carry a handgun into bear country, you’ll probably want to “go big or go home.”
Some monster handguns can be brutal to shoot and an absolute pain to practice with. As a general rule, go as big as possible without sacrificing your ability to put lead on target.
And because bears are so tough and move quickly, you’ll need to make every round count. You’ll want to burn through some practice ammo before you head into the backcountry.
Rifles
No matter how big you go with a handgun, they all lack the damage-wrecking velocity of a heavy rifle.
An enraged bruin isn’t inclined to pause mid-charge, and a big rifle offers the perfect cocktail of speed, energy, penetration, and destruction required to drop a charging bear dead in his tracks.
So, what do we consider “big?”
While most rifles in the .30 caliber range are fine for bear hunting, you may want something bigger and heavier for bear defense.
There’s a reason you’ll find hefty rifles chambered in .375 H&H, and .454 Casull (usually loaded with cartridges from Buffalo Bore or Hornady’s Dangerous Game Series) slung over the shoulders of experienced bear-country guides.
A rifle you can shoot well is a major asset, so you’ll want to become well-acquainted with your gun before stepping a single toe into bear country.
Shotguns
The 12-gauge shotgun comes highly endorsed in most bear country circles.
Many government agencies issue shotguns to their officers as bear defense weapons, and officers regularly use them successfully in dangerous bear encounters. However, the weapon’s capabilities are largely affected by the type of ammunition you have in the chamber.
If you plan to carry a 12-gauge through bear country, you might want to ditch the birdshot and 00 Buck. Premium magnum slugs are probably your best bet for stopping a charging bear.
A shotgun with a short barrel and a long magazine works best for bear defense. The popular Remington 870 and Mossberg 500 pump-actions are perfect for the job.
Best Bear Defense Handguns
1. Glock 20 – Best Overall Bear Defense Handgun
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Pros
- Reliable
- Accurate
- Customizable
Cons
- Mediocre trigger
- Blockier ergonomics
If you’re used to toting around a 9mm Glock 19, you might be more comfortable with that.
However, an upgrade to a Glock 20 chambered in 10mm and loaded with hard-cast FNs will provide far more stopping power than the relatively paltry 9mm.
Plus, the learning curve won’t be as high since you’re already familiar with the Glock platform.
While 10mm doesn’t pack the same punch as other magnum calibers, it still packs a lot of heat behind a relatively hefty round. And best of all – you get a whole lot more ammo in every mag.
15+1, polymer frame, unbeatable reliability, and the ability to mount red dot optics make the Glock 20 a serious contender for a bear defense gun.
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2. Ruger Super Redhawk Alaskan – Best Revolver for Bear Defense
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Pros
- Integrated scope ring mounts
- Dual chambering for .454 Casull and .45 Colt
- Extremely durable
Cons
- Recoil can be harsh on pistol scopes
The Ruger Superhawk Alaskan is a relatively small wheel gun, but it’s chambered in .44 Rem Mag, which offers some real stopping power.
Any gun with “Alaskan” in its name — even if it is a revolver — deserves some serious consideration for backcountry defensive shooting. Few locations in the U.S. have more bears (or human/bear encounters) than the Last Frontier State.
Ruger offers the Alaskan in a stubby 2.5-inch barrel. However, shooting .44 Rem Mag from a squat barrel produces recoil as difficult to tame as Alaska.
If you have trouble with recoil, you might be better off with the Ruger Super Redhawk. The Super Redhawk is available in 6-, 7-, and 9-inch barrels. The extra weight and barrel length make the recoil a smidge easier to handle.
The Super Redhawk comes chambered for .44 Rem Mag, .454 Casull, 10mm, and .458 Ruger. When loaded with the right ammo, all are capable of bear-stopping cartridges.
Best Bear Defense Rifles
3. Marlin 1895 SBL – Best Lever Action Rifle for Bear Defense
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Pros
- Reliable
- Durable
- Short barrel makes it easy to maneuver
Cons
- Heavier than a handgun to carry around
- Limited capacity - 4 rounds
Lever guns are common options for bear defense. The action is more reliable than most semi-autos. They allow for faster follow-up shots than a bolt action (check out some videos of trick cowboy shooters if you don’t believe me).
Plus, the shorter barrel length of most lever guns makes them easy to maneuver, which is an asset when facing an unpredictable bear.
We almost cried when Marlin stopped production of their legendary lever guns in 2020 thanks to its parent company, Remington’s major financial troubles. Someone certainly heard our prayers because Ruger picked up the company and restarted production in late 2021. Hallelujah!
Chambered for .45-70 Government, the Marlin Model 1895 has a tubular magazine and a 6-plus-one capacity.
While .45-70 Gvt isn’t known for speed or flat trajectories, it is bone-crushingly powerful at short range. This gem is perfect for backcountry bear defense.
4. CZ 550 American Safari Magnum – Best Rifle for Bear Defense
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- Heavy hitting
- Reliable
- Thick recoil pad
Cons
- Heavy
More Alaskan guides rely on the .375 Holland & Holland Magnum than any other cartridge. Since these guys regularly come face to face with injured and irritated brown bears, I think they know what’s up.
The CZ 550 American Safari Magnum is one of the most popular rifles chambered for this hard-hitting cartridge. And unlike the prom queen from your hometown high school, this rifle earned its popularity fair and square.
This thing is virtually bombproof and features a highly reliable controlled-feed Mauser action.
That .375 H&H has some buck, but that should be expected from a rifle capable of handling the biggest bears on Planet Earth. Heck, this thing could easily dispense a freakin’ T-rex if one happens to cross your path.
Thankfully, CZ had the forethought to add a thick recoil pad. Your shoulder should probably send them a nice thank you card.
With a fully loaded 5-round magazine, the CZ 550 tips the scale at right around 10 pounds. That’s a bit of heft to be lugging around the backcountry, so you might want to squeeze in a few extra sets at the gym.
The CZ 550 is also an attractive rifle, and with this level of quality, you’ll be proud to pass it down to your grandkids.
Best Bear Defense Shotguns
5. Remington 870 SPS SuperSlug – Best Shotgun for Bear Defense
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- Low maintenance slug gun
- Has internal shock absorbtion
Cons
- Heavy to carry around
Asking us to pick our favorite version of the iconic Remington 870 is like asking a mother to pick her favorite child. It’s impossible. We love them all for different reasons.
However, when it comes to bruin defense, we’re partial to the SPS SuperSlug.
Out of the box, this one doesn’t look much like the 870 we’ve come to know and love. That’s because it’s the perfect slug gun built on top of the 870’s steadfast, low-maintenance receiver.
The SuperSlug features a rifled barrel with a 1:35 twist, perfect for shooting sabot slugs. Plus, it has an ultra-cool ShurShot pistol-grip.
Not only does this thing look slick, but it also has internal shock absorption to help soak up some of that hefty slug recoil.
6. Mossberg 500 – Best Pump Action Shotgun for Bear Defense
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Pros
- Reliable
- Affordable
- Handles different types of slugs
Cons
- Front heavy
- Recoil for high power loads
We can’t in good conscience recommend the Remington 870 without mentioning the Mossberg 500.
This classic pump-action shotgun is just as reliable, affordable, and iconic as the Model 870.
Spray and Pray (Bear Spray, That Is)
Although most old-timers scoff at the idea of anything but a big hefty firearm for bear defense, there is an alternative to lethal force — bear spray.
Like the key chain pepper spray carried by college co-eds for decades, bear spray uses capsicum (a red pepper extract) to deter bears at close range.
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Although bear spray and pepper spray use similar active ingredients, they are not the same.
Bear spray is significantly stronger than regular pepper spray. It also expands into a cone-shaped cloud. Personal defense pepper spray is milder and deploys a more targeted stream.
While reaching for your .30-06 to stop a charging bruin may seem like a no-brainer, a growing body of research supports the superiority of bear spray over a firearm during a bear attack.
One notable study found that rifle and handgun users suffered the same injury rates during aggressive bear encounters, whether they fired their weapons or not.
In 2008, the same researchers examined the effectiveness of pepper spray in Alaskan bear encounters. Of all the bear spray incidents in the study, only three out of 156 resulted in injuries, none of which were fatal. That is an astonishing 98% success rate.
While the data seems to support bear spray over firearms, many backcountry travelers still prefer a firearm. Bear spray is a relatively new invention, and many hunters, hikers, and outdoorsmen aren’t particularly comfortable using it. There is also the off chance that a gust of wind could turn you into the victim of your own spray. Not good.
If you carry bear spray, don’t let it give you a false sense of security. You still need the skills to use it effectively. Before heading into bear country, practice drawing, aiming, and shooting your spray. You’ll need to hit your target quickly and accurately.
Also, you won’t have time to dig through your pack when an angry brown bear is breathing in your face. Accessibility is just as important as proficiency with your weapon, even if your weapon of choice is a can of bear spray.
Practice, Practice, Practice
Firearms are the only deterrent that can lethally stop an aggressive bear. However, you should only rely on your gun if you can use it confidently and proficiently.
The average shooter doesn’t have the skills to remain calm, draw, fire, and fatally wound a charging bear.
Imagine hitting a grapefruit-size target rushing toward you at 30 miles per hour while bobbing up and down and side to side.
It takes either serious luck or serious skill to accomplish such a feat. If you aren’t the type to rely on luck, you’ll want to spend plenty of time practicing with your bear gun.
You want your shooting to be as fast and smooth as possible when the proverbial bear poo hits the fan.
Final Thoughts
Sometimes it doesn’t matter how careful you are or what weapon you carry. When you wander into bear country, you could still find yourself face-to-face with a bruin.
Like people, bears have their own personalities. This makes predicting the behavior of any individual bear virtually impossible.
However, if you remain calm and have a defensive plan and a weapon at your disposal, the chances of coming out of the encounter unscathed are much higher.
What do you carry for bear defense? Let us know in the comments! Need more awesome wilderness information? Take a look at our Introduction to Deer Hunting!
Latest Update
April 18, 2024: Added Mossberg 500 to the Quick List. Categorized the various types of guns for bear defense – handguns, rifles, shotguns. Added more details to each selection of Best Bear Defense Guns. Made title more concise.
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About that bear spray and all those studies saying it's more effective than anything else.... I suspect those studies were probably done by the people selling bear spray.
RE: Bear Spray ... suggest you read Dean Weingarten's bear attack articles on Ammoland and consider withdrawing your recommendation. Further, a 10 oz can is probably useless. The maximum spray distance is 10 yards. That's a fraction of a second prior to the bear chomping on you. Years ago I noted the Park Rangers at Glaser Nat'l Park were carrying bear spray canisters that looked like 5 pound fire extinguishers.
Failure to feed issues with automatic pistols. Make it a big bore revolver, or better yet an 18 inch three barrel shotgun preferably 10 gauge. Just saying.
I commonly carry a .45 long colt revolver and bear spray while in bear country.
Go big or stay home. I have a Marlin 1895SBL lever rifle in .45/70, when loaded with Buffalo Bore bear rounds it will go through 14 feet of bear from any direction. I also intend on getting a Glock 20 10mm hand gun as backup with its 15+1 round capacity.
Is this over kill? Yes, but only if bear does not decide you are its next meal. If it dies and has serious intent you want enough fire power to kill the bear not just wound it so it can return into the brush and have to be tracked down by someone putting them in danger, or attack someone else in its hurt anger who only brought bear spray to a fang and claw fight.
I used to regularly hiked out in Alaska, lived there for 12 years.
I never even blinked at just carrying a 9mm pistol, used to carry a raging judge , but the weight and act that the recoil would likely make getting off 3 shots a miracle in a tight situation with an apex predator as large and motivated as a charging grizzley or Kodiak. The thing is that it 9mm had high capacity and it was reliable. Important thing to remember with any firearm you carry is that it does no good if you cant place a shot or not comfortable and familiar with its operation. Best if you can be so familiar that you can take the firearm apart without looking and put it back together quickly. Do that and you will get familiar with its operation. You can target practice all you want but a charging bear wont stay still or wait for you to aim. Main thing is to have control and reliable pistol that will cycle reliably.
A well placed shot or even 5 or 6 half placed shots will stop a bear. Plus you have to think of weight of a firearm with a fully loaded magazine. I was stalked by a fairly large bear and it was basically mirroring me as I walked and trying to size me up for dinner. I had a 13oz bear spray with me and I let it rip , probably unloaded at least 6oz of it into a large dusty cloud. That bear paused for a second and shook its head and ran off pawing at its nose and face. I went the other direction and avoided using lethal force. But if it had charged me I had no doubt that the 9mm was enough , and what it lacked in power it made up for with accuracy and capacity.
So it amounts to how nervous you are and situational awareness. I would personally have both firearm and bear spray and depending on situation both would work, its basically a timing and position thing that you will have to make fast decision about.
I have a Rossi 1892 in .454 Casul.
300 grain Horady magnum version of xtp
Runs 2000 fps. Rifle holds nine.
Can reload as you go.
Mate is Ruger Blackhawk .45 Colt w/ Buffalo
Bore ammo that can be used in the Rossi too
Great Comments—In particular, those from guides & former guides or from people who lived & hunted in big bear areas. A guide I knew in BC once used a 350 Remington Magnum with heavy bullets as a back up where lots of horse ridding occurred. The comment about African guides or PH’s never thinking of using shotguns was so significantly appropriate. Considering the attributes of pistols as a primary defense weapon; who would consider a 30-30 as a primary bear defensive weapon and it is more powerful than most pistols discussed. Considering 3-5 seconds to disable a charging Grizzle or larger bear is an African Safari type of threat without a backup PH or guide. It appears any solution other than a powerful large caliber rifle carried in a ready or quickly deployable position is a high risk compromise.
Bear spray I have researched will save your butt less than 50% of the time.
Do you want to gamble on being alive for as much as 1/2 hour while a grizz is eating you ??
For DEFENSE AGAINST A CHARGING GRIZZLY:
For this purpose, I want an AR-10 ( .308 cal. semi-auto rifle ).
Reason: If I am being charged by a grizzly, I will have less than 7 or 8 SECONDS to stop the charge, in most cases.
With semi-auto .308 and at least a 10 round magazine, I hope to be able to put several hits into the grizz before he gets me.
This is much better than a bolt action rifle with a more powerful round ( you will get zero or 1 hit maybe with this ), provides forgiveness for under extreme stress situation.
Very good explanation ..I want to go backpacking in the cascades and I am sold on the ar 10.ty..john goller
My big three in order (without ever having to use any of them yet...and hope I never do) are:
1. Compressed air horn
2.Bear spray
3.454 Alaskan
All carried in front of an LL Bean Rapid River Vestpack for quick access.
You will only have time to use ONE of these.
I strongly advise to use the most effective one- high powered semi-auto rifle which should make possible several hits in the maximum 7 or 8 SECONDS you might have to stop the charge.
Thank you...got some thinkin to do.
On the bear spray subject, the studies I've read don't record the firearm used, which would put someone with a snub nose .38 in the same category as someone with a .700 nitro express. I personally belive the question shouldn't be "is bear spray better" but rather "how big does a gun have to be before it's better than bear spray"
Ethan...great question, and one I've never heard before.
GLOCK 29SF is my go to, im comfortable carrying 180 gr bonded JHPs, xtreme penetrators/xtrem hunters, round ball and cast flat nose rounds. all loads must be 1200+ fps for my liking. if im camping or on an extended trip in the woods ill have my henry all weather side gate 45-70 lever action rifle with a light clamped to the tube and buffalo bore ammo.
Problem with a handgun is can't use it until bear is at CLOSE range, last second.
Should always have as backup but not PRIMARY. If you don't want to end up in a pile of bear poop.
Smith and Wesson Model 327 8 shot 357 mag revolver with 2" barrel in a chest holster.
I always carry bear spray in a holster as my first choice. Spray doesn't work in WA rain and wind.
2d choice is G9 45 ACP +P 165 gr. Woodsman used in a Springfield XDM. I know for fact it works on moose. Also been known to carry my Typhoon Defense F-12 with Federal Mag slugs at 1600 fps
Depending on weather, terrain, and flora, these are what I use in my neck of the woods where moose, cougar, and elk are also concerns; yes, elk.
Great article. I can relate. I fish in bear country often. My preferred defense is a Glock 40 in 10mm. It packs a punch, with good accuracy. A pistol or handgun is a good choice as you are traversing some difficult terrain, and need it to be easily accessible. Also, you want to ensure you have a good holster that rides close to your body, as you can be in and around wooded areas that can catch on your body or items. But, as you mentioned, best defense is avoidance.
Das passiert so mit eigenen Druckmitteln.
A popular hunting guide and personal friend was killed while skinning an elk. He had a 10mm with him but not on him at the time.
John, so sorry about your friend. Where was he, and what were the circumstances?
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Experience has taught me to carry the largest caliber handgun I can afford and shoot accurately. In my neighborhood (grizzly country), I carry a .45 colt revolver with either a 30-06 rifle or twelve gauge pump shotgun loaded with a combination .00 buckshot and slug. I don't mess with bear spray, ... its useless in a life and death situation and only makes matters worse. I don't wait to see what a bear is going to do before preparing to fire. My gun is up and ready when I know a bear is near!
Bear spray, if used wrong, merely seasons you for the bear's taste in human flesh.
Like you Gabby, I've guided for over a decade in Alaska (on Kodiak and in the Kenai) as well as Svalbard and Greenland. Which is why I'm surprised there is no discussion of Brown bear vs Polar bear. And location plays a big roll too - In the shrub of lower elevation Kodiak I'm most comfortable with my 12 ga shotgun loaded rubber, buck, slug, slug. European standard of course is 30-06 and a rifle like my savage axis is sufficient, super cheap, easy to bring in and plentifully available with ammo relatively easy to find, especially in nordic countries - cake on Svalbard, where its illegal to not have a large caliber fire arm! I'd buy a Super Red Hawk Alaskan in a heart beat, especially for Kodiak. And thanks for the article, I get that it's an overview and I enjoyed it.
Some are these are very bad advice...this coming from someone who grew up in the bush in Alaska who knew many people who hunted bear. A shotgun? Please, that is a good way to get killed. 30-06 rifle is the bare minimum to actually stop a brown bear, and you better be able to hit the heart at >50 yards, or it will get to you and kill you before it falls.
Hey George, as you know Alaska is so varied and what works in the Tundra might not be the best for the Rainforest. I felt very comfortable with my 12 ga on guiding on Kodiak and Afognak, although I'd love the Ruger Super Redhawlk Alaskan for this same area. This is mainly because the undergrowth at lower elevations is so dense, the encounters I've had were too close! Which parts are you from and what firearm works best for you?
I listened to many stories about hand guns, And one that gets a bad rap is the desert eagle
Unfortunately those who have these guns and others say no to them, because of misfire (OHOH) there is a big problem ! And we don't know how to solve it, Well now you will know,
Well I too had some problems starting out with this DE, (My first hand pistol or hand gun) Yes it did misfire and lock up, But I was just a beginner learning to shoot with a small hand.
And yes I solved all my problems, By reloading, and I shortened the overall length of the bullet by about 15/1000 of an inch, What a difference, (4227 at 22 grains with heavy lead) and then having a small hand, I had to learn a different way to hold my gun,
These DE's have a lip at the back below the slide,
This makes for the possibility to hold the gun differently with 2 hands,
I use my right hand as normal,
MY left hand, it grabs with my thumb behind this lip, NOT FORWARD AS MOST PEOPLE TELL YOU>
I twist with my right hand forward and down ward, and do the exact opposite with my left,
This prevents any jerking motion,
And it definitely improves my placement, And another fact, It reduces the amount of overall time you practice, Because when you double hold any gun as the most used methods, Your muscles need to be trained and strengthened to hold for practice, A weak muscle never hits the same place,
This method I described to you, does not need much practice, as both hands are contrary to each other.
I wonder how this will work if I go from 44 to 50 cal?
And no mention of the 460 or 500 Smith and Wesson ?? Sounds like you have an interest in not mentioning them. Overall on a scale of 1 to 10 I give you a 6 for your article.
I bet you have a couple of new Ruger and Glock handguns in your safe...haha
I agree with your other choices of firearms but not with the buckshot.
Agreed just another article to plug Glock. As history proves there will be a Comment about how PPT is not paid by Glock. I think there is 2-3 articles this week about Glocks.
Ask, and you shall receive, lol. We aren't paid by Glock, and the other Glock-related articles that were posted were coincidental as we're going through our older articles and updating them, so they are more accurate for today. Thanks for reading!
Buckshot for bear ? Seriously ?
Buckshot for bears is a good way to get killed. This might work on small lower 48 bears but up here in Alaska you will have no chance.
Buckshot for big bears? No. Not on your life. Maybe a solid slug but not a hollow based Winchester el cheapie from Walmart. I know people kill grizzly with .270 and 30-06. But when your up close and personal, bring enough gun.
Lived over fifty years on Kodiak Island and carried our my first Kodiak when I was 15-16. The Alaska State Troopers that accompanied us on this particular search both carried 12 ga. Remington 870 shotguns with slugs. The first thing the dog hit on was a stainless steel 270, a Ruger Model 77 with the bolt half closed on another round. This rifle was a good 30 feet away from the site where the hunter had a close encounter of the most miserable kind. There was no scent trail to the rifle, so it flew there. The trail from the encounter went down hill, where the dog found the deceased, camo clad hunter, deep in the alder. The USCG helicopter crew had seen the bear moving down hill from the vicinity with blood on its front shoulder. The 270 did not do the job, and the hunter's next round never finished the ride to the chamber. We wrapped him in the red tarp I carry and hoisted him into a hovering helicopter for transport. Before hunting people I was a seal hunter and registered assistant bear guide (guiding before Alaska got organized didn't require a license). I carried a 338 Win Mag on bear hunts. For all search call outs statewide I carried my 44 Mag Colt Kodiak (Colt custom shop 4" Anaconda). When bear were know to be an issue I carried my Mossberg 500 12 ga. with slugs also. Later I had an 18" barreled rifle built on a pre 64 Win Mod 70 action, chambered for 458 Win Mag. With the Lyman pee sights it was lighter than the shotgun. Moral of the story always carry more than your need.
Later,
J
PS A dog team from the mainland had an encounter with a black bear where he deployed bear spray hitting it right dead center in the face. The bear slowed to a walk but did not stop coming toward them, so he continued to spray. The bear finally sat about 10 feet away and started licking it face. So he and his dog took that opportunity to leave the area. Moral of the story; bear spray seems to work better on browns then blacks.
Thanks for sharing your experiences Mr. Doyle. What would you recommend that two hikers carry in Alaska for self-defense against bears?
Shotguns best for stopping "large mammals"???? BS. Lots of big nasties in Africa, name a real PH who prefers a shotgun.
Regarding Bear Spray. The rangers in AK have a stronger strength version than the general public.
Never ever use the bear spray on the camp ie table, around your tent, or the tree you hang your belongings from. The spray will break down mix in the soil and give a male bear the illusion a female bear in heat was there.
Regarding which animals to respect, top of my list are cats. Ambush predators, from a tree hide, makes them a real concern for me. That is why I want the ultimate deterrent. Two legged predators have been a problem in the past. Want negotiating capability that keeps me on top. Want a predator to run into another predator.
Want a weather resistant, small, rifle with stopping power. Would love a pistol, but .44 is too much. Agree, practice with any tool is required. What is the shortest legal length a rifle barrel can be? 18" comes to mind. Pistols are more highly regulated in my world. What auto load rifle would fit my needs? Cost is less of an issue than the other factors. Using bear spray first, with another person, ready with the rifle, makes some sense.
Knowledge of animals is important. Met a Female Griz +3 cubs about 150 yards away. In Glacier Bay, AK. Was not concerned. All were well-fed. She was concerned with something to her right. Down wind and with poor sight, she didn’t know we were there. Let her know we were there with a bear “popper”. As expected she went straight up into the Forrest, avoiding us and the probable male to her right.
In the US the minimum rifle barrel length is 16". In my mind anyone who says buckshot is the best dosent know much about external or terminal ballistics. You however, are right on track! I honestly think the best option, especially for bears is a reliable .308 semi auto rifle with a 16" barrel, a folding or collapsible stock and loaded with stout loads that have been proven to work well in the rifle. I personally have a .308 Russian ak variant with a heavy duty steel side folding stock. I would run 180gr bonded or even copper matrix bullets like the Hornady GMX or something by Barnes like the tripple shock bullet. Other fantastic rifle options would be a hk-91/ptr-91 rifle, a FAL paratrooper model or maybe even a well proven AR-10. Admittedly i have more experience than most, including the writer; but i would bet vital parts of my anatomy that i could drop any bear charging me. I would even bet someone with some decent practice under thier belt could dump all 20 rounds in a few seconds. Also no one has mentioned shot placement or cold weather firearm lubrication. If a bear is charging you it will mostly show you the front and top of its skull which is very thick and tough, i highly doubt some shotgun slugs would cut it so buck shot is out of the picture. But a semi auto rifle with well aimed shots to the dome piece will switch it right off like a light. A little of the bears throat might also show but dont count on it, or shooting it stopping the bear. In regards to the kitties, you'll want a easily accessible handgun. A semi auto with a "standoff device" on the end of the main spring, a 9mm will be fine with good bonded Hollow points like a federal HST or winchester Pdx1 and a fixed blade knife with a good stabbing tip like a quality dagger. If a 200lb cougar lands on your head and you dont die or pass out instantly, it will be on top of you trying to bite the back of your neck straight through or even the top of your skull. Wolves go for the throat but might encircle you with several of the pack. The 308 battle rifle would be a great choice for this, shoot the biggest meanest one first. That could be the Alpha, and the rest may just run away. A moose will stomp you to death get between it and a big tree and play ring around the rosie till it loses interest. More people die from moose attacks in Alaska than every other animal combined.
I've always thought the consensus was to deploy Bear Spray first? A guy I know who lives up in Alaska says when he's guiding people, his plan of action is Bear Spray, Shotgun Slugs, Glock 10mm with hard cast bullets. Says he has yet to see the spray not do the job.
Bear spray is great! Personally, I've never had it not work. But when it doesn't work, you'll want to be packing a firearm up to the task.
Will put my trust in my Mossberg 500 with 00 buckshot...plenty enough ummmph for a black bear...haven't run into any grizzlies in this neck of the woods...Smith and Wesson K-frame in .357 Mag
as a side-arm.....
The US Forest Service did a study awhile back. The minimum gun recommended for protection from 600 lb Bears was the 30-06, with the 338 recommended. Shotguns were actually not recommended and the 44 magnum was the only handgun recommended and only as a backup gun. Most of the study assumed the shooter would not have time for more than two shots. Semi automatic handguns were considered too weak to be useful. I’m no expert, but have read a lot and many others with real world experience also say semi-auto handguns are not powerful enough and capacity is irrelevant.
It's true! When a bear charges, you may only have moments to fire 1-2 shots. Bear Spray is great for nuisance bears, but will not stop an enraged bear. You need to carry a handgun in the most comfortable magnum load you can accurately fire.
Or you could go with the original for this type of situation a side by side stopping rifle in something like a 600 nitro express that’s what they were made for or rather for stopping much larger things than a grizzly bear
You don't use buckshot for bear defense, that's terrible advice.
Agreed! You should be using Sabot slugs in your shotgun. Honestly, I wouldn't feel comfortable with anything less than a .300 Win Mag for a grizzly.
Personally, I like the .22 LR; just shoot the 'guide' in the leg and run......feel bad about the guide....
Atta boy, Albert! Thinkin outside the box! Love it.
I'm surprised you didn't mention an AR chambered in .450 Bushmaster. The ballistics are nearly identical to the .45-70, it's generally lighter, and has less recoil.
in all seriousness, DO NOT USE 10MM against bears.
Read story of a guy on AllOutDoor who used a glock 10mm versus a bear, and the bear got on top of him even though hit the bear numerous times with 10mm.
just get a handcannon is you want to protect yourself against bears, and not want to carry a long rifle everywhere.
Glad you said it... Just not enough power... Not enough power, brudda... What was that carbine that was chambered in .50 S&W? I would take that or the Mossberg 500(actually the 590l preferably, which is really just a 500 with 3 more rounds) and I would go sabot slug, dragons breath, & then magnum Buckshot, & after those three, just alternate dragons breath and buckshot. You get one shot at it with the sabot, then you light the day or night up with that 30 feet of magnesium or thermite flame, or whatever the hell that makes all of that fire! After being hit with that slug, or at least hearing the boom and then hearing that thing cut the air, then another boom that blinds it followed by it smelling its own hair burning, and then a face full of buckshot (with some cayenne and ghost pepper powder poured in for good measure), I don't l that beat all ever look at humans the same way again. I would be awesome to have some bear mace hooked up under the barrel, with a pressure switch activation... That would have to be the ultimate Bear defense weapon!
OR - just stay out of the bear’s territory?
its impossible to stay out of bear territory. What an idiotic comment
Idiotic comment?? How's it impossible to stay out of bear territory? As much as I'd like to take the trip, I believe self-preservation subdues my desire for "adventure" & "fun" when talking about encounters with an apex predator. Man's hubris often interferes with his soundness of mind. Simply put, "don't be where you ought not be."
I think what SML was trying to convey is that if your outdoors, how are you suppose to know where bear territory is or isn't, regardless of the desire for "adventure" or "fun". Bears have been spotted in peoples backyards, so who knows where they're "territory" begins/ends.
their not they're...i know i was typing fast
I live on the west side of the Cascade Mtns in NW Washington state, hardly back country. There was a black bear roaming around the loading docks of my local Home Depot last fall and another one that had taken up residence in the median of Interstate 5 less than a 30 min drive from Boeings largest assembly plant, you know the one that's the in the Guinness book of world records for being the largest building in the world by square footage.
I live in the Northern Rockies. 3/4 of my STATE is bear country. Cougar, wolf, moose country too. I wouldn't say its a "idiotic" comment. But certainly a ignorant comment.
I live in a semi-congested suburban, residential neighborhood 15 miles southwest of Hartford, CT. We regularly get bears walking through our yards. Somehow these “neighbors” were never mentioned by the real estate agents when I bought the house. Had the same experiences when I lived in congested NJ. Avoiding feeding them (purposefully or by accident) & we each let the other animal alone. :)
Concerning the pics, 870 or 500, a shotgun is a shotgun, brand doesn't matter. The shorter the barrel the better. Handgun is second best. The important thing here is to make sure you can use it proficiently. Bear attacks happen fast, typically unexpected and at very short range. No need for a 17 round magazine as you would be lucky to get off 3 shots before the bear is on you. Long guns, if you are hunting carry a long gun, if you have enough time/distance to use a long gun effectively you are typically far enough away to avoid a bear. He won't be charging from a mile away. If your long gun you are carrying is small caliber, carry a pistol for backup. 44 or bigger if you can shoot it. Big hard cast chunks of lead, don't bother with hollow points. Situation awareness is key, most bear attacks can be avoided, and who wants to kill a animal unless you absolutely have to. They stink anyway.
I don't know, I trust that Mossberg way more than A Remington. The only Remington I trust is the 700, and thank God they didn't screw with that. Their quality control over the past 20 years had been slowly going down... Down.... DOWN.....
Buckshot is for thin skinned game. Good luck stopping the Devil himself covered in brown fur. You better greet him with at least one ounce slugs at the highest velocity you can tolerate. Alaskan brown bears average around 900 lbs of bone shattering fury.
According to the Alaska DNR, they have never had a case of anyone successfully defending themselves against an attack from an Alaskan brown bear with ANY type of handgun. Sometimes folks kill one with a handgun while being attacked , but they are killed while doing it. That is not successful. It takes multiple hits with big rifle bullets to stop one.
I agree 100 percent. ..I would stoke the shotgun with slugs..preferably a brenneke sp? Slug.
Simply not true
You have no idea what you are talking about or the person you asked is a terrible liar.
ammoland.com/2018/02/defense-against-bears-with-pistols-97-success-rate-37-incidents-by-caliber/#axzz5rFOSeyt9
Ammoland has since went back and updated the article with even more cases supporting the 97% success rate. It's more a comparison of caliber effectiveness. Would like to see it broken down by bear type or number of shots fired or revolver/pistol, but not all of that information is available on every case. Very interesting read anyways.
https://www.ammoland.com/2020/03/update-handgun-or-pistol-against-bear-attack-93-cases-97-effective/
A lot of options missing here. The main thing is, unless you are hunting (or hiking in Alaska) with the gun in both hands where it belongs, a long arm isn't practical. Bears are fast. If your rifle or shotgun is slung on your shoulder or leaning against a pack a few feet away while you're fly fishing or doing camp chores, you'll have virtually no chance of getting on target in time. A handgun in .44 Mag, .41 Mag, heavy loaded .45 Colt, 10mm, or maybe .454 Casull or .480 Ruger may be your best bet, carried in a holster you can draw from quickly. For the recoil sensitive, lighter loads in those guns or a .44 Special, .45 ACP, .357 or 9mm can do the job with the correct bullet and precise shot placement (meaning lots of practice). For shotgun level power, one of the new Shockwave styled 'firearms' carried on a single point sling or similar arrangement might work well, so long as it's secured so that it isn't swinging about dangerously or getting in your way.
You'd best get to your rifle- or you're dead. A handgun is not going to stop a bear attack. If it does- you are unbelievably fortunate. Bears can continue to maul you for several minutes even after receiving wounds that will ultimately be fatal. You might stop a little black bear with a stiff load from a big pistol, but a big bear will tear you out of your frame after eating six big pills.
You are full of crap...read big bore revolvers by Max prassac...you are totally wrong about a big bore revolver "properly loaded" with had cast or monolithic solids not being. Just totally full of crap
You could not be more incorrect. Plenty of documented cases of handguns stopping brown and black bears.
PLEASE stop posting that 9mm crap!
If you’re in camp just make some noise. Bang some pots and pans and have the bear spray with you at all times. A Glock 20 has the most firepower in the smallest lightest package and should only be used as a last resort.
I have always liked the 45-70 as a camping gun. Now I use the AR platform with a 458 SOCOM upper. Any on your list would definitely take care of whatever wanders into camp. I like the articles from you guys.
Good choice...I use 45/70 or 444 marlin backed up by Ruger Superblackhawk 454 Bisley, or Redhawk 45 Colt,or Superblackhawk 44 mag
Or Ruger .480
45-70 should def be a rifle calibre to own if you know you're facing bears....